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Manky Beads
« on: August 26, 2015, 03:44:56 PM »
 :'(
I have some really manky beads.
They strated out really nice when painted in copper Swellegant metal paint, but as soon as I painted the darkening patina on top of the last paint layer, they went all crusty and mouldy cheese looking instead of having nice darkening in the crevices.
What did I do wrong and how can I salvage them?

Here they are before patina:


And here they are after the darkening patina has worked on them:
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Re: Manky Beads
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2015, 07:04:36 PM »
I take it the darkened bit on top of the swellegant won't rub or wash off? Would it work to add another coat of swellegant to start again? This time I'd add a tiny bit of black/dark colour, or maybe even white into the crevices and wipe it off from the surface immediately. Hopefully would still stay in the crevices and be wiped off the surface. Just a thought, not used swellegant so no idea how it would work, or if it would be too thick to reapply.

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Re: Manky Beads
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2015, 08:43:03 AM »
Not a useful comment I know, but i really like the manky ones . . .

Could you sand the raised areas lightly and try a new coat of sweligant on the smooth sanded bits, and not put any more patina stuff on? Might look 'interesting'. . . but not what you were after.

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Re: Manky Beads
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2015, 09:35:53 AM »
possibly brush them lightly with a soft brass bristled brush?

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Re: Manky Beads
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2015, 09:53:17 PM »
Some comes off when I rub it with water on a tissue, but it'll take a lot of work.
I might just have to make them again and try just black Dye Oxide, no patina at all.
I thought someone here got some lovely black definition on copper, and I thought they'd used darkening patina... but I can't remember either who it was or where I saw that.

Ho hum. :(
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Re: Manky Beads
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2015, 12:21:34 AM »
HA!  My first thought, when I saw the beads, was 'If they were Jon's, that would have been on purpose . . . '!
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Re: Manky Beads
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2015, 09:03:45 AM »
"Mr Manky Beads" that's me ;-)

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Re: Manky Beads
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2015, 09:29:39 AM »
 LOL!

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Re: Manky Beads
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2015, 10:39:23 AM »
HA!  My first thought, when I saw the beads, was 'If they were Jon's, that would have been on purpose . . . '!

My exact thoughts also!

I used to play around with some of these types of patinas. Not the Swellegant ones, a product pre-dating that but probably the same basic thing.

The thing with those paints is they basically were real metal particles and it was a real oxidation process going on. So if you are using it for jewellery, you have to think about how the beads might be worn and what you can do to prevent the rust marking people's hands, clothes etc.

I think if it were me, I would brush as much of the crusty bits off as possible and then give a good coat or two of varnish just to protect the wearer

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Re: Manky Beads
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2015, 07:51:34 PM »
I'm with Jon.  With the copper, I used the blue/green patina's.  But, I really like the darkening-I had not tried it.  So, how's the voting going?

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Re: Manky Beads
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2015, 07:57:31 PM »
I think they look good like this.
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Re: Manky Beads
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2015, 08:31:36 PM »
Unfortunately I tried rubbing some more of the grey powdering looking stuff off, and all that happened is that some of the metal paint pealed off revealing the clay beneath.  Only on one bead as I stopped when I saw that.
so either I try to peal it all off, or I try to patch it... the rest I'll have to leave.

Yes Emma, I do seal things before wearing any of my finished pieces, but I like the soft matt look, so I use the Swellegant Sealer, not varnish.

So, Jon... did you get nice black definition in the crevices of a copper bead?  Or did I see that somewhere else?
If you did, then how did you do it?
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Re: Manky Beads
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2015, 07:41:47 AM »
Hi Fran,
Re definition on copper bead. No, that wouldn't be me. I haven't made any metal beads (yet) but there must be various ways of getting dark stuff into the cracks, like black gilder's paste worked in and then wiped off, or oil paint. maybe?

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Re: Manky Beads
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2015, 08:48:03 AM »
BTW what does manky mean?
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Re: Manky Beads
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2015, 09:36:02 AM »
 Manky = yuk!  Or at least, in this case, not what you were looking for...but others might disagree!

To get darkening/antiquing in crevices, Fran, people generally use acrylic or oil paint and in the case of the former use a piece of damp cloth or paper to wipe it away from the raised areas before it dries or l guess a baby wipe with oil paint.  I have used both and think surplus acrylic paint's easier to remove quickly because oil is rather sticky.