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Title: Halogen Oven
Post by: Bev on January 13, 2012, 11:58:28 PM
Hi all

Heads up to those interested - & I know you are  ;)

Aldi are doing a Halogen Oven, 40, starting Sunday. Looks very similar to the one I have - works great  :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Shirley on January 14, 2012, 02:54:37 PM
Ooh, thanks for the tip, Bev. Only about a 6 mile a drive to our nearest Aldi in Trowbridge, so will take a spin out there tomorrow  :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on January 14, 2012, 06:32:10 PM
It says 29.99 on their webby..... 8)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: jembox on January 14, 2012, 07:31:48 PM
Can some one post a pic
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Shirley on January 14, 2012, 07:36:59 PM
I will pm you the link Jan.

 :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: MelMcG on January 14, 2012, 07:40:50 PM
Ooh cool.  I hope we have Aldi here.  I know they have them in the Republic of Ireland, I just haven't seen any near me in the North though.  Will have to look into that.  Thanks Bev.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Bev on January 14, 2012, 11:10:15 PM
It says 29.99 on their webby..... 8)
DOH How useless  :-[  At least it's not wrong in the other direction ;)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: jembox on January 15, 2012, 05:16:48 AM
Thanks Shirley we have Aldi. Stores here ill have to check.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Shirley on January 15, 2012, 02:32:29 PM
Got one - thanks for the tip, Bev  :) Also got some little plastic drawer sets that will go under my work table and get some of the clutter out of the way.

I must search through the forum now for tips on using my lovely new toy!
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on January 15, 2012, 11:21:16 PM
Great!!
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Shirley on January 16, 2012, 10:34:51 AM
I was experimenting last night with some scrap clay making a briar rose using some different sized circle cutters, and tested my new oven on it - it worked brilliantly, although the rose itself is a bit naff. I'll post a pic later. I will need to buy some smaller tiles to work and bake on as my current ones are too big to go in this oven, but they always have cheap ones in the sale bin at Homebase.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Shirley on January 16, 2012, 10:36:09 AM
Oh, and my cats love the oven too. I found them both lying next to it soaking up the heat!
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on January 16, 2012, 02:33:22 PM
I assume there's a bowl you reach down into with this oven, so no flat bottom?   Can you fit something like the flat base of a loose-base flan tin in?  I just bake on paper or card, just so long as it's flat.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Shirley on January 16, 2012, 02:52:31 PM
It's a glass bowl, and you get two different heights of grill stand with it, but I guess you can put you tile/card/paper just on the base of the bowl., as the bowl is a flat-bottomed one.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: jembox on January 16, 2012, 05:04:04 PM
How windy is it inside. Is there room for a thermometer ?

cant wait to try one !!
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Shirley on January 16, 2012, 06:31:45 PM
My rose didn't move at all, so I guess not much air movement. Next time I use it I'll put some card in loose and see if it moves. Plenty of room for a thermometer - the bowl is about a foot in diameter, and about 6 or 7 inches high, plus you get an extender ring that you can put on top of the glass bowl to give about 3 or 4 inches more height if you want to make polyclay giraffes  :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on January 16, 2012, 08:00:23 PM
Giraffe!! No extender with mine...I'd have to make a baby one  ;D

I had mine on this evening with only two smallish things in - it's only using a bulb so I guess is very economical to use....so I don't feel gulty using it almost empty, unlike my main oven where I only baked loads at a time  8)

Glad you're pleased!

How easy did you find it, reaching into the bowl to load?   (Mine lifts off.)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Shirley on January 16, 2012, 08:09:27 PM
Easy to put things in and out, the bowl lifts off the base in case you need to arrange things inside on a lower surface. I'm sure it is  cheaper than putting the main oven on.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on January 16, 2012, 08:11:46 PM
Have fun! :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Bev on January 16, 2012, 09:34:02 PM
How windy is it inside. Is there room for a thermometer ?

cant wait to try one !!
I have had round beads go whizzing around a pie tin I had placed in the bottom  :o So round beads now get put on pins on the bead rack or on a bed of cornflour. Baking parchment can end up fluttering around a bit.

I have some offcuts of tiles so I arrange things to suit what I'm cooking. I tend to put the thermometer on a tile or else it falls over on the grid - haven't tried cooking directly on the base of the oven.

Next thing will be to cut round sides to the tiles so they fit in the oven better  ;)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on January 16, 2012, 10:49:06 PM
If I haven't got room to stand my thermometer up I hang it from the tall grid/shelf - the dial swivels luckily so I don't have to crick my neck  ;D

The foil I put over the top (held down with legs of grid/shelf) stop anything blowing about.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Bev on January 16, 2012, 11:08:27 PM
If I haven't got room to stand my thermometer up I hang it from the tall grid/shelf - the dial swivels luckily so I don't have to crick my neck  ;D

The foil I put over the top (held down with legs of grid/shelf) stop anything blowing about.
Oo nifty! Hadn't thought of that  ;D I'm quite often struggling for room. Although the oven is very good, I still have to keep an eye on the temp & tweek it a little sometimes so daren't risk leaving it out completely  :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Shirley on January 17, 2012, 09:45:27 AM
Good tip, Carrie, thanks  :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: jembox on January 17, 2012, 09:06:17 PM
My Aldi,s didn't have - the search is on.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: MelMcG on January 17, 2012, 10:10:53 PM
I can't find any Aldi's in Northern Ireland either. Very upsetting!

Mel  :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: jembox on January 18, 2012, 08:18:25 AM
Mel its right next to the other side of the Grand Canyon  ;D
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: lottie on January 30, 2012, 07:02:21 PM
Before this link was posted, I bought mine for 39.99 on Amazon.  It contains two tins, a low 'mesh' grid on little legs, and a taller one.  A pair of grips to lift out any cooking tins etc, two skeweres - for cooking actual food on - but not of course if it's been used for clay, and a spare light - and of course it's guaranteed.  There were several makes listed too.  My one had come down from 89.99, then before Christmas it was 69.99, and after it was as above.

One question I popped on here to ask those of you using halogen ovens - do you just put your things in - on tiles, mount board, the trays whatever - or do you put them in sealed flan or baking tins with clips.

The reason I am asking is that I have noticed that you get a film on the glass, which wipes off easily so no problem really, and also I wondered about any fumes.   

I love mine Halogen oven - it's so easy for me - just wondered what your thoughts were on the latter.

Oh and if you don't already have a thermometer - the one I bought from Emma's shop is brilliant.  It's all stainless steal and so easy to read - I was so impressed.

Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Shirley on January 30, 2012, 07:05:58 PM
I have only used mine a few times so far, but have just put things in on a tile or the bead rack, or on a piece of card. Smaller loose items can blow about a bit, so would need containing somehow, maybe tent with some foil.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: sjrimmer on January 30, 2012, 07:21:24 PM
And if you are baking on cornflour or baking soda you def need to tent it.  Learned that one through experience!
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on January 30, 2012, 07:28:35 PM
OMG - I haven't had that happen luckily, because I always put foil over to stop my bits of paper blowing around - I bet that was a mess, Susan  :o

I notice a film is building up on the plastic of mine, Lottie.   I won't use it for food so I haven't been worried - but it makes me glad I no longer use the main oven.   I shouldn't worry about any fumes - it's supposed to be ok unless you burn stuff, but I never shut the cat in with the operating oven to be on the safe side......
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on January 30, 2012, 07:32:06 PM
I wonder if it is the plasticizers in the clay are actually softening the plastic parts of your ovens? If it is a film as such, you should be finding that equally over all parts of the oven, plastic or glass. If its only the plastic areas, it makes me think its more a reaction in the plastic to the plasticizers in the clay burning off???

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on January 30, 2012, 07:34:44 PM
Oh yes - it could very well be that, Emma.   I have only tried wiping it half-heartedly so I don't know.  I wouldn't see it on the metal parts and there's no glass with mine.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Bev on January 30, 2012, 08:47:47 PM
And if you are baking on cornflour or baking soda you def need to tent it.  Learned that one through experience!
I have baked my round beads on cornflour to stop them blowing around, & touch wood, haven't had a problem yet even tho I never tent with foil  :o

I wonder if it is the plasticizers in the clay are actually softening the plastic parts of your ovens? If it is a film as such, you should be finding that equally over all parts of the oven, plastic or glass. If its only the plastic areas, it makes me think its more a reaction in the plastic to the plasticizers in the clay burning off???

Emma
I get a film build up on the glass bowl & lid - can get so bad I can't see the thermometer  :o At least I know when to clean it  ;) No probs with any plastic bits.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: lottie on January 30, 2012, 10:44:54 PM
OMG - I haven't had that happen luckily, because I always put foil over to stop my bits of paper blowing around - I bet that was a mess, Susan  :o

I notice a film is building up on the plastic of mine, Lottie.   I won't use it for food so I haven't been worried - but it makes me glad I no longer use the main oven.   I shouldn't worry about any fumes - it's supposed to be ok unless you burn stuff, but I never shut the cat in with the operating oven to be on the safe side......

I don't  have a cat - but my husband often sits in the conservatory whilst it is on ::)  Best tell him to read his paper in the lounge!

Mine is glass and the lid is glass with a stainless steel rim.  So I guess it's the 'fumes'.  It's not a big problem, it just wipes off with a tissue or paper towel - glad some of you have experienced similar.

Thanks for your replies
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on February 02, 2012, 07:56:17 AM
Well I have given in and bought a halogen oven.

It only arrived yesterday, so haven't had much chance to play yet. I've just done a bit of testing without anything in but the thermometer to see how it held the heat.

So far, so excellent.

I hope it behaves the same with clay in it - but empty at least, it can be set to the lower temps we need quite accurate and hold and maintain it evenly it seems. WAY different to any toaster / mini convection oven I have ever tried out.

I hope I am not tempting fate, as I havent actually baked any clay in it yet - but so far its looking very promising!

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: jembox on February 02, 2012, 02:24:52 PM
Emma Does yours have a plastic or Glass lid ??
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on February 02, 2012, 02:38:58 PM
all glass and metal inside as far as I can tell. Plastic housing on the outside of the gubbins.

Why, is there something I should know?  :o

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: jembox on February 02, 2012, 03:29:36 PM
No nothing inparticular - just in reading through the posts it seemed to me that some people had Glass domes and some had Plastic domes. I did finally find one here a Nu -Wave($140)knock off for $69 US at Walmart, but i havent gotten it yet and didnt look at what the dome was made of
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on February 02, 2012, 04:05:03 PM
I think the ones for sale  here all seem to be glass - mine's an old NuWave and is plastic....it has the big advantage of being a bell shape so I lift it off the metal base.  The "works" can be removed from the top of the bell for cleaning (if I was cooking!)

I think the steady reliable low baking temperature has to be the main advantage, Emma - I really have to hover over my main oven to check it at 110 or so - but the halogen one is perfectly steady and gets there quickly. Must be cheaper too - especially for anything that needs multiple bakings - I always felt I had to bake an oven-full using the expensive main one - I won't even turn it on for just jacket potatoes these days!

I baked some Kato in the main oven the other day - 150 - and it was very good at that temperature though.

I hope you like using it, Emma!!
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on February 02, 2012, 04:40:48 PM
Yup, I've not seen any that are not glass and metal for all the main parts

ANyway, .... as I said - yet to actually bake any clay in it, but it certainly looks really promising with my test heating yesterday. Put it this way, I never managed to get ANY toaster / mini oven to behave so well.

Fingers crossed!

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on February 02, 2012, 08:44:32 PM
Note to self: When testing your first baking in a new oven, specifically to get a handle on how it works, do NOT set it going then trundle off and eat bombay mix, watch telly and forget you put the blasted thing on.

.....nuff said.

Emma  ::)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Shirley on February 02, 2012, 08:50:11 PM
Doesn't yours work on a timer, Emma? On mine, you turn the timer to how long you want it on, and it swirches off automatically.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on February 02, 2012, 09:08:01 PM
Whoops...... ::)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on February 02, 2012, 09:43:29 PM
Yes it has a timer.

The problem was, when I did my test bake yesterday, I actually needed to set the temp a little higher on the dial to get the right temp inside.

Now, I knew this would not necessarily be the same when the oven was full of shelves, tiles, clay etc. So I had wanted to set it to that setting, WATCH IT! and then make adjustments where necessary.

That was what the SMART thing to do would be anyway.

What I actually did was to just walk away and forget until I went it and found it happily settled at almost 150 degrees! (which actually was pretty acurate to where I had left the dial)

So, a case of my own dumb fault there... but hey ho.... as any of you who know me will recall, I am uber-forgetful so its not like this is anything new  ::)

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Lizzie on February 04, 2012, 08:49:35 PM
Hi everyone

I need to buy an oven for my clay.  Do I get the impression halogen is the way to go?  If not any other recommendations?  Are there any specific things I should look for (I know I need to get an oven thermom - Emma here I come again!). 

Bye for now, dizzy but happy Lizzie.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Shirley on February 04, 2012, 09:10:28 PM
I'm certainly happy with the halogen oven I bought from Aldi a few weeks ago - it gets to temperature quickly, and doesn't spike. It also saves putting on the main oven for just a few beads, so I think it is more efficient.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on February 04, 2012, 09:16:47 PM
Have you tested your oven again, Emma?

I hope you didn't put good stuff in when you had your disaster the other day  ???

I should use your ordinary kitchen oven for now, Lizzie - but you definitely need the thermometer for the low temps.
See how you get on then later maybe look for something smaller - and therefore more economical - to use instead  :)
As long as whatever oven you use will keep a steady temperature with no high temp peaks (like cheap toaster ovens often have) it doesn't matter what you use  ;)

I too am pleased with my infra-red oven (an earlier halogen thing) that I was given but prob wouldn't have bought one specially. 
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on February 04, 2012, 09:22:39 PM
Not had chance to test it again yet, but I am very impressed, even with my sel-induced disaster.

I was baking old fimo, making some push moulds and the old formula fimo was quite heat tolerant, so no problems despite me letting the temp get too high.

The main thing is, the temp is STABLE. I've never even got this far with any of the traditional tabletop ovens, they were just too spiky and pants to be considered.

So I am really thinking halogen might be the way forward. But - as I said, its VERY early days for me and my halogen oven, so watch this space!

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on February 04, 2012, 09:29:00 PM
It would be quite a step, starting to bake your beautiful beads in a new oven after getting such good results in the other one  ???  but if you want to test ideas then it seems like a very economical and easy way to do it - quicker too, as they heat up so fast - and you can go and do something else while they're on  :) 

I'm making some things that need multiple bakings which I wouldn't have considered in the main oven.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on February 04, 2012, 10:06:00 PM
This has always been a concern for when I am making my "working beads" - because I could have 3-4 hundred quids worth of beads baking in the oven at one time, so one burny temp spike could be quite a blow to the pay packet!

But I am quietly confident that me and Harriet are going to become friends  ;)

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on February 05, 2012, 10:44:29 AM
Harriet ::)

Does all your stuff get a name?  ;D
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: jembox on February 05, 2012, 03:20:51 PM
Is Harriet a HOTTIE !!
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on February 05, 2012, 03:50:29 PM
Yup, everything of mine gets a name except for printers. They are evil and not worthy of bonding with.

Emma

(computer = Fred IV, Laptop - Sammy, Mobile phone = Molly, Kiln = Toasty, etc etc. I've worked alone too long I think)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: shelleym on February 05, 2012, 05:45:07 PM
Only just catching up on this thread. Can someone PM me the link to the Aldi halogen oven so I can see what it's like please?

Shelley


Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on February 06, 2012, 04:24:16 PM
I've sent you the link but I doubt if they'll still have it - they have short-term offers.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: jembox on February 07, 2012, 06:44:49 AM
Do you have Walmarts over there.

They sell one for $69. US and they have the Original NU-WAVE for $99. US
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on February 07, 2012, 07:40:19 AM
We have ASDA who are owned by walmarts. Might have similar stocks.

It seems to me that there are LOTS of models out there, all broadly similar so I think finding one should be easily done.

I didn't get the aldi one, I got a different one. If anyone wants details, just PM me and I can tell you what and where-from

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: jembox on February 07, 2012, 10:26:31 AM
They really havent hit the market yet here too much .
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on February 07, 2012, 03:08:46 PM
My mum bought one a year or so ago - and just ignores it like all her kitchen gadgets! That was the first I had really seen of them I think.

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: babysloth on April 18, 2012, 12:38:21 PM
Hi everyone! (my first post  :) )

I've been trying for a while now to find myself a halogen oven, but it's soooo difficult. Here in Finland we just don't have that kind of ovens at all. So the only way to get one is by ordering it online. But how do I know which one is a good one and which is not  :(. There are so many different kinds in the market and most of them is described that the temp. is up to 250 degrees (C) and that's it. No mentions about how low it starts. And the pictures usually don't give me any help.

Can someone maybe give me a hint what is proved to be a good and steady oven for polymer clays? I'd be forever grateful.

That Aldi oven sounds just perfect.. I could of course contact them and ask about it, but I doubt they still have it not to mention that they would be willing to send it to me...

Hope it is ok to ask this here... I'm driving in to a dead end in this matter...
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on April 18, 2012, 01:30:33 PM
Welcome to the forum!

I'll PM you the details for the one I bought.

I haven't used it loads yet, but so far it seems to be quite reliable. I have found it helps to use the high shelf and put a ceramic tile on that, just to protect the clay stuff underneath from the direct heat. But it seems to be holding the heat quite evenly once I found the best setting to have it on.

SO much with small ovens is about experimenting and testing at first just to find the best settings and layout inside the oven.

To be honest, I don't know how you can know a good one from a bad - they all look identical to me!

The one I bought has bulbs that you can change easily and it came with a spare. I think that is good because in the reviews for some other models, people were having to send the whole lid back when the bulb blew.

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on April 18, 2012, 02:08:45 PM
Good point about replacement bulbs.
I don't  think this older one I have is going to last - it's plastic and cracking very badly. My father got it from a shopping channel ( ::)) and it's from the USA.
So I will have to decide if it's worth getting another at some stage  >:(
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: babysloth on April 18, 2012, 02:37:11 PM
Thanks for reply  :) and a hint.

That sound a very good advice to use a ceramic tile as a protective shield. I would imagine that tiles also help to steady the temperature.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on April 18, 2012, 04:49:53 PM
Yes, I think they do a bit.

I bake the thinner, flatter items up on top. The more solid items, which can be more prone to cracking if they over heat, I keep below and protected from the bulb.

So far - so good!

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: MilleD on April 22, 2012, 12:54:11 PM
I cooked a piece in mine which had petals in a thin slice of flower which were blue round the edge and white in the middle.

The white bits went brown  ???.  I set the temp about 120C and nothing else has burnt except for this piece so I can't work out what went wrong.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on April 22, 2012, 01:36:33 PM
Oh dear Claire  :(

What clay were you using?

Where in the oven was it placed?

Have you calibrated the oven with a thermometer to see that the dial setting is acutally correct?  (you should also ensure you calibrate an oven full of any baking tiles, tins, shelves etc that you would normally use)


If the clay singed, it does sound like it overheated. While clay will show this effect more obviously, but you will probably find the blue clay singed too, it just doesn't show so much with coloured clays.

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on April 22, 2012, 10:36:56 PM
Oh no - what apity.
I always put foil over my stuff - this was really to stop things blowing around, but I expect it protects them from the bulb when it first glows....or whatever it's doing while it heats up.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: jembox on April 23, 2012, 07:10:09 AM
 :'(
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: polynana on April 23, 2012, 07:11:05 AM
Oh Claire, thats a shame, was that the only piece in the oven?
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: jembox on April 23, 2012, 07:11:53 AM
On o hate when I burn stuff
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: jembox on April 23, 2012, 07:12:58 AM
Did you use the extender ring
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: MilleD on April 24, 2012, 07:33:46 AM
Sorry for the delay in replying, been mad busy.

Yes it was the only peice in the oven.

Jan - I don't have an extender ring.

Carrie - I now cover everything as a matter of course, I think the initial light turn on is probably too much.

Emma, the item was on a metal tray at the bottom of the bowl.

It was Premo clay.

No the oven isn't calibrated with a thermometer.  I haven't got round to that yet.  I'm a little slapdash in my approach to stuff like that which is probably why it burnt  :)

What I don't understand is why that burnt and nothing else has. 
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on April 24, 2012, 09:49:30 AM
At the beginning, the oven will be cold and the heat will be on pretty much constantly to bring it up to temp.

So if this is too fierce, try ramping up to temperature more slowly.

Set the oven for the very lowest temp it can be set to first. Once it reaches that heat, you can eek it up to where it needs to be. Only start timing the clays curing time once you reach and stabilise at the right baking temp though.


Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: jembox on April 25, 2012, 04:37:40 PM
Do You think if you put your items in something like a deep Springform cheese cake pan with foil cover wold that keep the wind down and protect frome the bulb
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on April 25, 2012, 06:26:55 PM
I think baking inside anything closed up can work well, providing you can be sure the temperature inside is reaching the right heat. So a pyrex bowl with a lid, for example might work well too.

But you'd need to experiment and make sure it was all heating up ok inside, or maybe allow longer etc

You do this stuff in ceramics work too - making a clay sagar to fire pieces in.

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: MilleD on April 26, 2012, 07:08:17 PM
At the beginning, the oven will be cold and the heat will be on pretty much constantly to bring it up to temp.

So if this is too fierce, try ramping up to temperature more slowly.

Set the oven for the very lowest temp it can be set to first. Once it reaches that heat, you can eek it up to where it needs to be. Only start timing the clays curing time once you reach and stabilise at the right baking temp though.


Emma

Thanks Emma I'll try that next time.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: lynnedbears on April 30, 2012, 11:33:17 AM
Picked one up at an indoor boot sale on Saturday for 3. I  have tested and think the thermostat has gone but am able to conteract that and it is now cooking as we type. Fingers crossed............
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Shirley on April 30, 2012, 01:04:32 PM
Bargain!!! Hope it works OK.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: MelMcG on April 30, 2012, 03:02:47 PM
What a bargain!!  That's brilliant!

Mel  :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on May 01, 2012, 08:42:48 PM
Wow Lynn  :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Allyw12 on May 14, 2012, 07:04:24 PM
Hi everyone

I'm a clay newbie & I'm looking for some help, I've decided to invest in a dedicated clay oven. I have been reading your posts and have had a look online but I'm still not sure which Halogen Oven to get there are so many :-\  is there a recommend oven better for clay?
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on May 14, 2012, 07:20:17 PM
I'm not sure there is any one or other that is "better" for clay. At least, if there is - I haven't heard about. Also, its early days yet for halogen ovens with polymer clay.

I will PM you the details of the one I bought though, for what it is worth. I have been very happy with it so far - and I am known to be scathing in my disgust at most small ovens and their performance!

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Jules on May 16, 2012, 09:35:22 PM
I bought one two weeks ago as my oven is just useless and was fully expecting to be annoyed, grumpy and cross.

Its small, didnt smell, easy to load / unload.
Thermometer tests proved the dial to be completely accurate.
I can fit loads in it too.

I have used it 4 times now and each stacked full and no bad results.

I love it and am converted - change from 30 quid online including delivery from a reputable company - pm me if you need a link.
 :)


Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: MelMcG on May 17, 2012, 10:26:31 AM
That's brilliant Jules.

Mel  :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Bonipie on May 17, 2012, 04:23:56 PM
When we moved from the south, I didn't bring my oven.  We are moving less and less stuff, and hoping to have what we need in both places.  I want to upgrade from my little toaster oven, but can't decide what to do-Sam's Club, big box discount store, has a Sharper Image Halogen oven, but I don't know if I'm ready yet. 

So, I bought another toaster oven-little cheap thing ($17 US) like my other one.  Problem with this, I think I should have something 'better', but this little oven is small (takes little counter space), has never had a problem, holds my 8"x8" covered tin, holds the temperature perfectly.  If my results are good, predictable, etc., why am I trying to replace it with something else?

Because it isn't Cool!!

I am such a sucker for a Cool Tool!  I'll always be looking for a cool oven and probably go for a Halogen oven.  But, right now, my life is a bit complicated .  I'll certainly be reading this forum on the 'coolest tool'.  (Alright, really, I cannot see Hubby thinking this chubby spaceship looking thingy is really an oven.)

Hugs, Boni  8) in Sunny Central Arizona
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Shirley on May 17, 2012, 06:35:33 PM
You know what they say Boni, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. If the toaster over works for you, then you don't need a halogen oven  :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Bonipie on May 17, 2012, 11:02:30 PM
But, it isn't cool!!

I must agree with you.  If it wasn't working so well, I certainly wouldn't keep that ugly little sucker around, but I bought another one.  The little toaster oven you hate to love (or, hate to love).  Whatever.

Hugs, Boni  8) in Sunny Central Arizona
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on May 17, 2012, 11:03:15 PM
I don't think the halogen ovens look very cool.

To be honest, my one looks like a demented casserole dish wearing a very stupid hat.

Toaster ovens look cooler for sure.

Emma

Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Bonipie on May 18, 2012, 04:05:48 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

OK, Shirley and Emma,
Actually, I agree with you.  Since you (the coolest!) think my toaster oven is cool, I do too.  I was really just having a bit of fun.  Since my little Rival toaster oven works so well for me, I really can't find a reason to replace it.  But, I sure am always looking for any tool that makes my life easier or makes a better bead.

My first interest in Halogen ovens was trying to find an oven that uses less power, since we travel a lot and use just solar energy when we travel.  Looking into it, most ovens seem to use about the same power, but some need to run longer than others.

Thanks for everything.
Hugs, Boni  8) in Sunny Central Arizona
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on May 18, 2012, 04:15:47 PM
A halogen oven is supposed to use about 70% less power than a conventional oven, and they don't need pre-heating  :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: polynana on May 18, 2012, 04:43:44 PM
A halogen oven is supposed to use about 70% less power than a conventional oven, and they don't need pre-heating  :)
I definitely need one, I am trying so hard to persuade my OH that a Halogen oven is absolutely essential but I don't think he believes me :(
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Bonipie on May 18, 2012, 04:48:27 PM
Just checked.  My small toaster oven is rated 1000 watts.  Other ovens (toaster and Halogen) that I've checked are about 1000 to 1300 watts.  There is some savings here on some of the ovens.  I think most of the savings is in not having to preheat, and the convection part.  Also, the halogen ovens are bigger than my toaster oven.  Lots to consider.

Hugs, Boni  8) in Sunny Central Arizona
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Jules on May 21, 2012, 05:04:01 PM

I agree with Emma  - it's not a thing of beauty (there's probably an Etsy seller who makes oven cosies?  ;)
Mine isnt as wide as my last toaster oven - taller and deeper (but only a little) but has tardis qualities.

As I'm a bit rubbish at picking up PMs and I know no links are allowed but I've had several requests for the link to the one I have ( I have sent you all PMs now - sorry for delay!)

I wondered whether I could leave a cryptic clue to solve for the seller (Emma feel free to delete!!)?

The seller is the longer name for Bob plus a tinted bottom  ;)

(If you cant work it out or it gets deleted its fine to PM me it may just take a while for me to reply) :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: rubyrube on May 21, 2012, 05:10:47 PM
Thanks Jules, I saw the cryptic clue and enjoyed working it out before confirming I had got it right when I checked your reply. Little things like that keeps me happy!!!!
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on May 21, 2012, 06:34:15 PM
You're so funny, Jules ;D
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: dovile660 on May 21, 2012, 06:47:59 PM
Yes it has a timer.

The problem was, when I did my test bake yesterday, I actually needed to set the temp a little higher on the dial to get the right temp inside.

Now, I knew this would not necessarily be the same when the oven was full of shelves, tiles, clay etc. So I had wanted to set it to that setting, WATCH IT! and then make adjustments where necessary.

That was what the SMART thing to do would be anyway.

What I actually did was to just walk away and forget until I went it and found it happily settled at almost 150 degrees! (which actually was pretty acurate to where I had left the dial)

So, a case of my own dumb fault there... but hey ho.... as any of you who know me will recall, I am uber-forgetful so its not like this is anything new  ::)

Emma

Hi,

It is probably the wrong place to ask, but couldn't find an anwer anywhere else:  do you have to wait for your oven to reach the required temperature for baking clay and then put the clay in and start counting the time needed for it to bake properly, or you put it in cold oven? Stupid question, but Just want to be sure... ::)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Shirley on May 21, 2012, 07:24:20 PM
I put it in cold, it only takes a few minutes to get up to temperature so you only need to add a lttle bit to the overall time in there.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on May 21, 2012, 07:37:19 PM
 In a normal kitchen oven though, you would definitely time it from when it's reached the correct temperature cos they do take a fair bit longer....I used to put my beads in when the oven had reached temp.   

If you use a toaster style oven then definitely put them in after it's got to temp because they can give a huge blast of heat from the element while they heat up :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on May 21, 2012, 08:08:44 PM
ROFL - love the clue!

I think the thing to remember is common sense - we don't want the forum used by companies selling similar products to EJR Beads or by businesses using it as a way to up their google ranking.

For that reason, commercial links are not allowed - because if they were, there are some who would take advantage of that.

But when it comes to general brands being referred to in chat that doesn't compete with my products and you aren't linking, there is nothing wrong with saying Robert Dyas, or Bobby Stain-bum, as I shall now forever think of him as!

I know its hard to know what does and doesn't fit with our rules - sadly there are grey areas, as there are with many outlawed things when you stop to think about it actually!  ;D Just trust me that overall, its for the good of the forum and about "keeping it real!"

NOW>.... regarding halogen oven question. With mine, it takes about 10 mins to reach the right temp actually. That could be because I have the tall shelf in and put a couple of ceramic tiles on that to sheild the bead baking rack below from the direct heat.

So I put everything in cold and I start timing from once the oven reaches the right temp

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ilkidesigns on May 22, 2012, 05:28:12 PM
Thank you for your PMs about the Halogen oven Jules, I haven't been on the forum for a couple of days, and just picked up the cryptic clues which are fun.  I guess Emma it is a good job that EJR is fairly difficult to put a slant on!!  Who knows what might turn up otherwise!
Gail
 :o
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on May 26, 2012, 02:11:26 PM
I've just ordered one of the same halogen ovens from....Bobby Tintybum.....and it's been reduced again (sorry, Jules!) and I got change from 25 inc. delivery  8)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: rubyrube on May 26, 2012, 07:37:06 PM
I treated myself to one aswell.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ilkidesigns on June 10, 2012, 09:56:54 PM
Goodnews and bad news.  Well Jules I have just used my new halogen oven for the first time.  I had dry tested and all seemed ok so a real curing session was the next step.  How great it was, although I had to cluck round it most of the time it was on, it was perfect and seemed to work perfectly.  The bad news was a phone call from a neighbour who likes to talk and talk and talk.  Impossible to get away from.  The outcome being that the tile bracelet I had cured using Jan's tip of curing before cutting into tiles had got cold and couldn't be cut.  However, recalling Jan's other tip about reheating to cut I thought I had it sussed.  So oven on again, but being under pressure trying to cook supper at the same time, I only heated for a short while, and so cutting did not work well.
Moral of this is the same moral I always find with anything I do with polymer clay. " everything is possible, and everything can work well..........if you do it properly and take your time. Be patient"
Gail
 :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Lizzie on June 11, 2012, 08:27:29 PM
Hi folks

Has anyone bought the mini halogen oven or is it best to go for the larger size?  I don't tend to have masses of pieces ready at any one time (I'm too impatient). 
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Jules on June 11, 2012, 10:44:29 PM
Gail - glad the oven is OK - better luck next time!

Lizzie - The one we've been talking about is the small one. Its like a Tardis!

Julie
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on June 12, 2012, 01:37:33 PM
I've only ever seen one size of halogen oven - didn't know they came in different sizes!

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: doodah on June 12, 2012, 03:24:40 PM
Well I've ordered one today!! Thanks for the info Jules, I would never have guessed the Bobby Pinkbot name  ;D - if I'd only scrolled back a few messages I'd have seen that Emma had answered your clue for me - hey ho!!

Wendy
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ilkidesigns on June 12, 2012, 08:39:36 PM
I have just done another batch of curing, and whilst I can't get as much in the halogen as my mini oven, it is so relaxing to use.  It actually heats up quickly and doesn't spike, plus it doesn't take over the utility room because it is a reasonable size, and I can see what's happening inside.  Great!
I love it!
Gail
 ;)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Jules on June 12, 2012, 08:52:26 PM

Glad you're pleased  ;D
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on June 12, 2012, 09:53:17 PM
I was surprised at how small it was when mine arrived, but my other one does take up a huge amount of space in the utility room so I am very pleased....but I confess I haven't used it yet because I have ground to a complete halt as far as making polyclay things goes ???
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: rubyrube on June 13, 2012, 11:19:52 AM
I'm also pleased with mine, even though I had to exchange it as it was broken when it arrived (Bobby Pinkbot et al, were very good about it). I have only tested mine to make sure it worked! It will be great to do multiple bakes without having to trek to the garage and remember to watch the time. I don't do much in one bake, so the size is great and like others have said it can sit on the side without taking up much room.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Jules on June 13, 2012, 06:34:28 PM
I've found another use for mine!

I switch it on and it bathes the room in its yellowy glow and I imagine its stopped raining and that the suns come out.

 ;)

Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on June 13, 2012, 07:52:20 PM
 ;D  Jules!

I really should have tested mine when it arrived....could have made jacket spuds as there was no polyclay to put in ::)

Though I have one thing to bake...I have added a back to a screenprinted pendant I did in Alison's class ..........last October!  I did finish one in the class, I hasten to add!
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Tails on September 10, 2013, 04:36:15 PM
Rehashing an old thread, but just wanted to say, I'm buying one of these tonight thanks to everyone here lol

Can one still cook food in it even if they've baked clay in it (clay on its own baking tray)?

edited to correct spelling
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Bev on September 10, 2013, 07:18:09 PM
I guess if you gave it a REALLY good clean you might..............but I have to say, after using mine quite a few times, there's a build up of......something......on the glass bowl. Really greasy yukky stuff  :( Have to clean it off with paper towels every few bakes to enable me to be able to see the temp on the thermometer :o

Much more noticeable than in a "big" (kitchen) oven, I guess because the thing is so much smaller  ???
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on September 10, 2013, 08:09:22 PM
Yes - l'm amazed at how much oily gunk there is.....you wouldn't be able to clean it off the element and its cover.
But it would be OK to use it for things like casseroles that are covered, just don't think it would be a good idea for anything uncovered  :o
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Tails on September 11, 2013, 12:17:34 PM
Thanks guys :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on September 11, 2013, 01:49:33 PM
If you baked your clay with a good cover on it the oven would keep clean  :)

Maybe you could use round foil dishes, clipped together.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Tails on September 11, 2013, 03:18:48 PM
How would I see if they're burning though (or is this a dumb question?)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on September 11, 2013, 07:40:13 PM
Use a good quality oven thermometer to make sure the temperature is correct.  Also, the cover would help to prevent scorching.
I got a thermometer from Emma recently and it's really good - miles better than the cheap kitchen one l was using before, and which was definitely not accurate!
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Tails on September 12, 2013, 08:17:17 AM
I'm currently using an oven thermometre with my normal oven.

Does anyone have a pic of this foil cover suggestion (I'm still new to this and struggling to picture what it would look like)?

Sorry, lazy me just Googled it now and I found this, is this right?

http://thebluebottletree.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/baking-pans-with-binder-clip.jpg

Also, does a halogen oven change the amount of time the clay needs to bake. Mine says bake at 130 deg C for 40 min, so I usually do 120 for 40min cos the charms are small items. So far nothing is burnt, but I wonder about the new oven...I hear they cook stuff faster?
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Bev on September 12, 2013, 10:07:27 PM
Don't think the time will vary. Although a while since I looked at the instructions, I think it used to say, on one of the brands, Temp x 30 mins per 1 cm (or whatever thickness) - so a very thin piece would cook for 30 mins, whereas a very thick piece may require an hour.

A lot of people, myself included, ensure the temperature is correct & cook for 1 hour regardless. I believe, as long as the temp is bang on, it doesn't matter too much if you cook longer  :-\

I'm sure somebody with loads more experience will be along to correct me & point you in the correct direction lol Think of this as something to read/pass the time whilst you're waiting for them  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Tails on September 13, 2013, 12:32:30 PM
Thanks so much :) :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Peter on September 13, 2013, 05:42:41 PM
I'm with Bev on this one.....I mostly cook things from 45 - 60mins. Some of my designs require multiple bakings and a finished piece may have been baked for 2 - 3 hours in total.  Doesn't seem to cause a problem.

 :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Tails on September 17, 2013, 12:55:51 PM
Thanks! Baked it for 40 min in the halogen in my two pie tins clipped together, came out fine!
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on September 17, 2013, 05:19:12 PM
That's good to hear :)
 
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Tails on September 18, 2013, 01:34:43 PM
Oddly enough, it runs 40oC hotter than my oven thermometre says its at, so it burnt our chicken cos there was no room for the oven thermometre lol.

If I want 180oC I have to run it at 135oC or so O_o
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on September 18, 2013, 05:00:37 PM
Hmmm - that's rather a large discrepancy >:(
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Tails on September 20, 2013, 07:05:56 AM
It is!! It was on special and it is a cheap brand, so I somehow wasnt surprised, but I think we're keeping it mainly for clay items and baking oven chips and roasts when we figure out the temp difference for certain lol
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: fluffyfred on December 05, 2013, 07:17:08 PM
I know this thread hasn't been posted in for a couple of months, but I have a query regarding halogen ovens.

I bought one today as I liked the price and need to start getting bits together to start claying. Anyhoo, the starting temp on it says 125 celcius, but just as I was about to buy some Fimo, I noticed the packaging states it needs to be baked at 110 celcius. I'm worrying now about burning the clay and having seen the Premo is baked at a higher temperature, I'm just wondering if the starting temp on my halogen oven sounds right or do I need to take it back for a refund and shop around for one with a lower starting temp? Or would Premo be better for a complete novice like me anyway?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated  :D
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: monkey ann on December 05, 2013, 07:45:52 PM
Having an oven that restricts the choice of clays used, doesn't sound good to me.  Especially as Fimo is my fav.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on December 05, 2013, 08:47:27 PM
Mine has the same - I think most halogen ovens have that as a starting point.

But, they are just numbers really and when you start checking with the oven thermometer, you'll almost certainly find that 125 on the dial doesn't necessarily mean EXACTLY that anyway.

The important thing is, can you physically turn the dial lower than this, even if that is just where the numbers start? On mine you can, it even has a setting lower on the dial saying "thaw"

Remember, we're not really telling the oven what temperature to "reach" as such  - all the dial does is set a heat point which, when reached, the elements stop firing. But the are only ever full on, or full off. It is just the frequency of how often they come on and off that builds up the heat in the oven.

The beauty of halogens is that they can cycle on and off quickly around that temp given pretty immediate bursts of heat, so you don't get the long spikes up and down through the temperature ranges as with the conventional ovens. The halogens therefore keep it all more stable. But their dials can be as inaccurate as any oven in regards to the temperature actually being what it says on the dial. So you need to work out with a separate oven thermometer where the dial should go to give the right temp

If the dial will physically turn lower, then there is the ability to make it turn the element off at a lower temp and all you need to do is work hard to find exactly where that position is that gives you the right temp in the oven.

Bear in mind how you set up the oven will also have a bearing on calibration, also if you have any shelves in and stuff on them etc. There is no point calibrating the oven empty and then filling it up with two shelves full of stuff for the actual baking.

So set up the oven with the layout of any shelves, tiles, baking racks etc that you would normally use and calibrate it with that in place. Remember to leave space for air to circulate if you are using the top shelf.

Its a good idea to protect the more heat-sensitive clays like Fimo from the direct heat of the halogen bulb.

I bake the beads on a rack on the oven floor. Above them I put the tallest shelf with a couple of ceramic tiles on to protect the beads from the direct heat. But the tiles are only above the baking rack, so there's plenty of room either side of the tiles for the air to circulate around the oven. This has proven to be the most reliable set up for me.

Emma

Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: fluffyfred on December 05, 2013, 09:28:22 PM
I'll admit I was starting to panic a little as I want to be able to try different clays to see what works best for me, but luckily after having a proper look, it does have a defrost function and as the black line around the dial has a gradient, it does suggest it might go lower. My plan is to get an oven thermometer as well so I can check the temp as it goes along, but I guess if I do a test without polyclay first, I can see if it does go lower and if not, I could use that one for general cooking, then creep about my hubby to get me a different one ;D
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on December 05, 2013, 09:56:24 PM
I think they are all pretty much the same - I don't think I've ever seen one of these small ovens - halogen or fan - that doesn't start at 125.

Very often they also have a lower setting for defrost, or even for doing meringues. But generally they start at 125 because any lower and the oven would be switching on and off all the time so much so that the temp would be spiking here, there and everywhere. And indeed, in my old fan oven, it would do just that - and could rise and fall 50 degrees in literally a minute because it seemed to take the oven's own thermostat so long to cotton that the heat had risen and it needed to shut off.

The thing is, with a halogen, that doesn't really matter so much as they seem to be so much more immediate in how they deliver a boost of heat and also lose it.

The important thing is to use an oven thermometer. The Fimo brand ones are good and very responsive to temp changes. I found they respond quicker than the Sculpey brand.

Without that oven thermometer, you're going to be clutching at straws and Fimo is not a clay that likes to be overbaked in my experience!

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on December 05, 2013, 10:22:23 PM
Just want to comment that l am really impressed with my Fimo oven thermometer - the cheap old "proper" cooking one l was using before just didn't respond quickly enough nor did it seem accurate.

Well worth buying 8)
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on December 06, 2013, 09:54:22 AM
They are very good aren't they.

I used to have one from Lakeland years ago that was excellent, but they changed their model and when I had to replace it, I found their current ones are not quite so good. Luckily though, the Fimo one came out so I could use that instead.

I like how the dial is big enough to easily read through the oven door / glass wall too

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: fluffyfred on December 06, 2013, 11:46:48 AM
Ordered a Fimo thermometer, should be here within 10 days. Now I just need to order some fimo and think about things I can steal from the house, to use as tools, as I've almost blown my budget. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that bit.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on December 06, 2013, 12:15:29 PM
Ordered a Fimo thermometer, should be here within 10 days.  ...

10 days???  :o You should have ordered from me, I'd have got it in the post to you this morning! Plus if you order over 25 worth of goodies and use the code READER through checkout, a 10 percent discount too. Just sayin'  ;)

Emma

Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: fluffyfred on December 06, 2013, 10:03:29 PM
I'll have to remember that for next time! Before I just hopped back on here though, I checked the order and it's showing as dispatched already, so hopefully it won't be too long.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: fluffyfred on March 13, 2014, 10:08:06 AM
I finally bit the bullet and I'm currently calibrating my halogen oven so I can start claying. I might not be a happy bunny soon though, it's been on for 20 minutes and has just reached 50 degrees. I've had to turn the dial up to 150 degrees as it's not getting up to temperature. If I can't get it to where it needs to be, I'm going to have to do a hunt for the receipt as I bought it 3 months ago and shoved the receipt in a drawer somewhere (I hope!).
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on March 13, 2014, 10:21:43 AM
How are you calibrating? Are you using an independant thermometer? And if so, do you know for sure that that thermometer responds quickly itself to heat change?

I ask this as the first question simply because I have used a lot of thermometers in my time and some are almost instant in how they change, others can be really labouring, especially to get going from room temp.

Secondly, what temp did you originally set the oven to achieve? If it is too low, the oven can take a very cautious approach so as to not overheat. Sometimes you'll find it better to set a few degrees above target temp and then as soon as you see the oven starting to heat up, dial it back to target temp.

Thirdly - what is inside the oven? The arrangement of shelves and any tiles / baking trays etc inside the oven can have a huge influence on how the oven heats up

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: Carrie on March 13, 2014, 10:32:08 AM
I was amazed by the responsiveness of the Fimo oven thermometer l got from Emma - the ordinary cheap cooking one l'd been using took ages to show higher temperatures and l ended up burning things by raising the oven dial temp.  In fact, l thought the oven was going wrong.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: fluffyfred on March 13, 2014, 10:36:22 AM
I'm using a Fimo thermometer as I'd read those were the best ones to use. I'm going to let the oven finish it's timed cycle then test it in my domestic oven so I can figure out whether I might have a faulty thermometer instead.

I put the oven on 125 and then when after 20 minutes, the thermometer had only reach just over 50, I cranked it up to 150 and the dial still wasn't moving.

I've got the low and high metal shelves with a large tile on both, the tiles were rectangular and had to be broken a bit to fit them in. There's space on each side for the heat to go down as well and I sat the thermometer on the top shelf.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: fluffyfred on March 13, 2014, 11:04:11 AM
My oven is faulty :(

Luckily I've still got the receipt. I got it from a supermarket where I do my normal shop and according to their website, it's not in stock. If it's not available in store then I'll ask for a credit note to use towards my next grocery shop, then get a different oven elsewhere. From this, I have learned that I should test it straight away!
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on March 13, 2014, 03:45:30 PM
Ok.. first off, your oven may not be faulty.

It could simply be that the dial numbers do not correspond with the actual temp it produces at any given setting. Maybe the position marked at 125 on your oven dial  is actually quite a low temp in real terms? Maybe to acheive a real temp of 125, your dial need to be switched higher from the start?

The thing is, without more testing and giving it a longer chance, you wont know.

But that is what callibration is all about -  To see what the real temp is at any given setting.


Maybe 125 on your oven would only ever give a lowish temp of around 50 degrees. To be sure, you need to invest a little time into it and see. Set it to 125 and make a note of the temperature every 5 minutes. Do this for at least 1.5 hours!

Now, look at your results. What temperature did the oven level out at? How long did it take to reach that.

For all you know right now, 125 on your dial could in real terms just be 50 degrees.

Next, try a higher temp,  say 150, - and do the same thing. Put it on for at least 1.5 hours and note the temp every 5 mins.

The reason the halogen ovens are so good is because they are more STABLE in that heat delivery. So, if your dial says 125, but the oven gives you a realiable 50 degrees at that temp, that is good. Its the stability that we crave. The rest you can work with, just testing until you find exactly where to set the dial to for a good clay baking temp.

On my halogen oven, I think I have to start a little higher at around 150 to get the oven up to heat. If I start lower, it cycles on and off so much it takes forever. So I start a little higher and then when the temp is stable, I turn it down to around 125 which gives me a real temp of 130 - fine for cernit.

Emma





Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: fluffyfred on March 13, 2014, 06:58:02 PM
Thanks for the advice on that, I'll try it again tomorrow. I was going to put the temperature up high at first, but I was worried it would break my thermometer. I think it's a sturdy little thing though, so hopefully it will manage to take a blast of heat tomorrow.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on March 14, 2014, 09:40:18 AM
Just be methodical and invest a little time into doing a few experiments. It really will pay off and let you know for sure if your oven needs to go back or not.

Afterall, you could find that the oven holds the correct temp perfectly stable - just you need to set the dial to X rather than Y temperature setting.

Likewise, you could find it really is just erratic and needs replacing.

Without spending a little time testing it thoroughly though, you'll not know for sure and could risk throwing out a gem of an oven.

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: fluffyfred on March 14, 2014, 10:14:09 AM
I 'think' I might have it where it needs to be now. I've spent the last 3 hours testing it and figured out it's out by about 75 degrees. All I can say to that is I'm glad it's for polyclaying and not cooking. The oven thermostat isn't giving me much confidence. If I turn the dial up or down just very slightly, less than 5 degrees on the oven, the thermometer drops by 10 degrees. I can only seem to get it to just below the red line or just above.

I've been watching it and very gently tweaking the dial, but can only seem to get either 105 or 115. Am I right in thinking that fimo has a tolerance level but shouldn't go over 130 otherwise it risks burning?

I'm sorry for all these questions and I promise as soon as me and my boys have made something, I'll post pictures  ;D

Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on March 15, 2014, 06:39:21 AM
Yes, the temperature is really a guideline. Many people bake Fimo up to 130. I find I get hairline cracks if I go about 125.

I suspect the 115 temp, if you can keep it stable there, will be perfect. But you might get away with the lower temp

Do some tests baking some clay at both temps to see if they bake strong. Bake some sheets, and roll some pencil-thin small logs of about 2 inches long. Once the items have baked and then cooled down fully, try bending and breaking the logs and sheets. See how strong the clay is and how much bending it will take before breaking. (Bear in mind, even fully cooked, softer clays like Sculpey 3, Fimo Soft and even Premo nowadays will not be as strong, even when correctly baked, as stronger clays like Fimo Classic, Cernit etc)

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: fluffyfred on March 16, 2014, 10:10:43 PM
Me and my little boy did a couple of hearts using a cookie cutter, I had to bake it twice as after the first time, the outside of the clay had a waxy feel and I managed to nick it with my fingernail. After the second baking though, it appeared to be ok. I'm going to do some sheets and logs like you've suggested, hopefully some time this week.

I'll be honest, I'm not sure I like the fimo, I don't know what it is about it, but I didn't feel comfortable using it. I'll use up the packs I've got and if I'm still not sure about it, I'll try some other brands as I'm sure one of them will be perfect for me to use.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on March 17, 2014, 04:52:38 PM
what is it you dislike about the fimo?

If you are able to put it into words (and I appreciate you might not be able to ) we might be able to either recommend another brand that would suit you better, or maybe find a way to counteract the problems you're having with the Fimo

There are so many different brands of clay now, and everyone has their own favourite. So I am sure there will be one out there that suits you perfectly

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: fluffyfred on March 19, 2014, 11:02:24 AM
That's the thing, I can't quite put my finger on what it is I don't like about it. It's something that bugs me about myself, I get these gut feelings about things but it has to smack me in the face before I know what it is lol.

I think I just need to keep having a play with it, I know I need to have a play by myself as my littlest man isn't keen on sharing my rolling pin.
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: ejralph on March 19, 2014, 09:02:16 PM
I think that's what you need to do - play around with the clay and then try out as many other brands as possible too. That's the best way to find which suits you best.

I, for example, never really liked Premo clay in my heart. Intellectually, I do like it because the colours are amazing, the consistency is a dream, the mica metallics are wonderful and so on.

So on paper it ticks all the boxes. But for me personally, it just doesn't thrill me as much as Fimo or Cernit. I think it is the plasticky feel to it that does it. I think I prefer the chalkier feel of the European clays maybe?

But its all down to personal preference at the end of the day. Thankfully nowadays, getting hold of a variety of brands is usually quite easy for most people.

Emma
Title: Re: Halogen Oven
Post by: FranOnTheEdge on December 30, 2017, 04:09:47 PM
Thanks for keeping this thread available. I am currently looking to buy a new small oven, and needed to know if I could cook polyclay in a halogen oven.
This thread not only answers that but it seems to be saying that a halogen oven could be more temperature reliable too.
Yes?