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Title: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: prettypale on September 09, 2011, 02:31:43 PM
Hiya  :D
I was watching the kids ads today & realised Zubber is very much like Pour n Mold, on the ads they do the same thing, mixing the two blobs of rubber stuff together until its one colour then set it just as you do for Pour n Mold. has anyone tried Zubber for mold making?
Im tempted to give it a go as in the kids kits you get alot more than you do with the normal PnM it seems.
EDIT: ive had a look at the amounts, its about the same amount for the PnM & zubber (refill set) but zubber is cheaper   :)
emma x
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: ejralph on September 09, 2011, 05:20:24 PM
I've not heard of Zubber - but pour and mould is just one of many RTV mould making compounds. There's lots on the market.

Sculpey - the people who make Premo polyclay - also have a mould making clay available. I keep meaning to get some in to have a play with it.

I've used RTV compounds for making moulds, but I found that actually the moulds I found the most useful and useable were the solid ones I made just from blobs of simple scrap clay.  ::)

The flexible compounds are useful if you want to mould things with undercuts though, although it can still be tricky to demould unbaked clay from a mould with undercuts anyway.

Emma
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: MelMcG on September 09, 2011, 08:45:11 PM
Hi emma.  My kids were given zubber bracelet sets last Xmas and now that you mention it, I think it would work really well for making a mold. I have some here now, so I'll give it a try over the weekend and post the results.  :) Mel
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: jembox on September 10, 2011, 07:57:40 AM
Mel I want a full report first thing monday or else  >:( <<< boss face

Emma i have used sculply mold maker , it works good.  a double thick sheet on the thickest setting on pasta mach. i used to make a deeply viened leaf texture plate it is flexable enough to wrap around a pop can or glass jar and it is not strechy at all so not really any distortion   And a 1/2 thick cube i pushed a metal button into and it is still flexable enough to get an open edge to pop out the molded piece.  I baked the leaf right with the clay weighted with a tile on top to keep flat.

button was baked in the mould also.  And i have actually baked in the button mould with Armour ALL ( silicone protectant spray) as a release
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: ejralph on September 10, 2011, 10:32:49 AM
Thats really interesting to here Jan - must get some to try out. I love making moulds!

Emma
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: prettypale on September 10, 2011, 11:36:04 AM
Mel that'd be great to know how you get on  ;D

Jem thats interesting, ive not made any molds at all but really interested in making some  :)
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: MelMcG on September 10, 2011, 05:03:27 PM
The Zubber stuff works great.   :)

(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z341/melmcg4/DSC_5990.jpg)

It's not a great picture, sorry.  I made a mold of the button on the right.  If I get the chance to get my clay out this weekend, I'll try out the mold. 

It comes in all sorts of lovely colours too!  8)

I've only ever made molds out of polymer clay, so I don't really know anything about mold making.  I can tell you that it's fairly flexible, so it would be easy enough to get the clay out of it.  Don't ask me if you can bake it like silicone molds, because I haven't got a clue and I'm not game to try it.

And Jan, it's only Saturday, so aren't I a good little worker?!

 :) Mel
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: jembox on September 10, 2011, 05:20:28 PM
Ah yes Mel , and willing to work on weekends too!!!
I guess your a keeper  ;D.

Now all i have to do is find Zubber !!!
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: MelMcG on September 10, 2011, 05:34:49 PM
Awww thanks Jan.  :)

Hopefully the following link will help you find it in the U.S.

http://www.bliptoys.com/whereToBuy.html

 :) Mel
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: prettypale on September 11, 2011, 08:04:39 AM
ooh very good Mel i will certainly be buying some Zubber when ive a chance then Thanks for showing  ;D
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: MelMcG on September 11, 2011, 10:29:47 AM
You're welcome.   :) Mel
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: MelMcG on September 13, 2011, 08:29:55 PM
I finally got round to trying out the mold.  I already had the same mold made in polymer clay, so you can compare.  There doesn't really seem to be any nocitable difference.  I think the polymer clay mold might be the slightest, teeniest, tiniest bit crisper.  The Zubber mold was definately easier to separate from the clay, it instantly popped off.  The top photo is the Zubber mold and the bottom is the polymer clay one.

(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z341/melmcg4/DSC_5995.jpg)

(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z341/melmcg4/DSC_5999.jpg)

 :) Mel
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: ickledookie on September 13, 2011, 10:33:56 PM
I'd say the zubber one stands out more, hmmm might have to get me some of this stuff!  :D
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: jembox on September 13, 2011, 10:38:49 PM
No Stores have heard of it here yet.  the Blip co. Sells SQuINKY'S here But not Zubber .  SQUINKY some how has to stand for CHoky hazardy
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: Carrie on September 14, 2011, 07:53:34 PM
That's interesting, Mel  :) Thanks for trying it out!
I have just seen the materials list I need for the Polymer Clay Event at Alfreton in a month's time (eek!) and \i need some 2-part moulding stuff...I saw some in a shop the other day, the blue one, and I was rather shocked at how expensive it is for such a tiny amount :o
If the zubber is giving a reasonably detailed mould then maybe I should search for some of that, if it's a bit cheaper/more for your money.
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: Carrie on September 15, 2011, 11:16:06 PM
While searching for moulding compounds, I came across Oyumaru Moulding Compound which is softened in very hot water and used to make an impression. After a few moments it's firm and useable as a mould - polymer clay was used apparently successfully in a demo video.  It  looks good so have ordered some to try.....watch this space!


Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: MelMcG on September 16, 2011, 06:19:13 PM
Jan, I'm sorry. I did try though.

Carrie, I'm watching.

 :) Mel
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: jembox on September 17, 2011, 06:04:17 AM
It will get here soon . Has any body ever tried hot glue sticks a a mold ??
They seem pretty rubbery
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: MelMcG on September 17, 2011, 10:10:49 AM
I'm having a bit of trouble visualising what you mean, Jan.  Do you mean a glue gun stick or Pritt sticks?  I would image they would both be hard to work with, being sticky, and very messy, but I could be wrong though.  :) Mel
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: ejralph on September 17, 2011, 01:13:46 PM
I've heard of people using silicon caulking material for mould making too.

But I personally don't see the point when there are so many easier-to-use alternatives. I find moulding materials a bit like varnishes - I wasted way too much time trying to find "the perfect one" and always just ended up using scrap clay! But I do far prefer the rigid moulds over the flexible ones for my polyclay and ceramic moulding needs. I think for flexible moulds, any of the RTV compounds are good.

Emma
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: jembox on September 18, 2011, 06:49:32 AM
I mean the hot glue gun sticks - suppose you lay a  3/4 inch metal button face up, oil it , Frame it with a 2" circle cutter (oiled also and sealed around the outside with a snake of clay) and then filled with hot glue to cover button I bet you would get a perfect mold I would have the button pre heated and on a tile to give the glue more time to settle in . I have in the past melted into candy mold and came out with a perfect rubbery copy. I have also taken a small glass piece out of a miniture frame and drizzled layers of of glue around it to make a new funky shaped frame I Chilled each layer so that when i added next layer I could build up textures and dots. I painted with gold translucent glazing paint . It came out looking like a clear molded  resin with a gold shimmery  transucent veil. you would never geuss it was hot glue. This was before I found Polymer clay
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: ejralph on September 18, 2011, 07:14:17 AM
urm - I think it all sounds like a feasible idea. But if I am honest, I think that would fall in the "life's too short" category for me  ;)

Emma
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: jembox on September 18, 2011, 01:52:29 PM
LOL Emma
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: Carrie on September 18, 2011, 08:37:55 PM
I like using polymer clay most of the time too! 

However I have had fun trying out this Oyumaru stuff - it's playing really - which i think is what it is designed for!!
One advantage over polyclay though is that I don't need a release agent for the mould.  Also, it sets firm quickly and can be used at once - no waiting to bake a polyclay mould before using it 8)

You just pop the bars of stuff into near-boiling water till they soften and mould it a bit then take your impression.  A big disadvantage for anything larger is that it firms up quite quickly, so really it seems best suited for flat pieces.  The instant make and use is extremely appealing though  :)  I trimmed edges with scissors and you can resoften it.  The moulds are surprisingly hard.

Here are my quick (unbaked) try-outs - a double-sided bead using a button for the mould and two bits from a mould of a tree charm.  Quite a crisp image I think. 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v618/Caroline1428/DSC04411.jpg)
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: jembox on September 18, 2011, 09:25:22 PM
Can you  recombine the molds  into one mass again when you reheat or make 2 blocks into one piece for a bigger mold?

What about makeing a flat texture sheet ?
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: Carrie on September 18, 2011, 11:08:33 PM
It will all re-soften so if I only wanted to do a few from a mould I could re-use the stuff. It came in 6 sticks of 58 x 7 x 15 mm and they would all mix together.
Impressions from texture sheets would be an excellent use for it - you could try out the negative of a bought one and if it's no good just re-use the stuff.  It's flexible enough and strong when very thin so would be very good to go through the pasta machine which is a real plus.

But it's the instant nature of it that appeals the most!
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: jembox on September 19, 2011, 04:04:40 AM
I want some this Instant !!!
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: MelMcG on September 19, 2011, 09:04:31 AM
urm - I think it all sounds like a feasible idea. But if I am honest, I think that would fall in the "life's too short" category for me  ;)

Emma

Emma, you're so funny!  I think I might have to agree with you.  :)  It does sound like it would have looked pretty cool though.

Carrie, that stuff sounds really good, I might have to give it a go too.

 :) Mel
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: ejralph on September 19, 2011, 10:30:04 AM
I had some stuff that was like small plastic pellets that did the same thing - you would soften in warm water and compress into a blob and use it to mould or model things. It ended up very very rigid when cool and could be re-used. I didn't find it very good for moulding so never persued it. Can't remember the name now ....

Emma
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: Carrie on September 19, 2011, 04:08:24 PM
It could be the same.
THis was no good when I tried to make a mould from the cap of a tube (as a cupcake mould) because of it firming up too fast but for quick impressions it's fine and as you can re-use it you don't have to worry about waste if you don't like what you've done. 

Just got it for fun really  ;D
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: jembox on September 19, 2011, 05:31:38 PM
So far the only closest place to here is Canada on a metal clay supply site for $7.00 but the shipping is $39.00 ???
Go Figure/
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: Carrie on September 19, 2011, 06:12:00 PM
It's not worth hunting down or paying a lot, Jan - it's a passing bit of fun and while I enjoy playing and it will have its uses it also has its limitations and other things do the job just as well - particularly polyclay and two-part moulding compound  :)
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: jembox on September 20, 2011, 06:39:57 AM
I have some undercover secret special tricks i want ot try with it !!

Fiona don't you dare !!!
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: MelMcG on September 20, 2011, 08:47:44 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: Atomix on May 09, 2012, 10:10:32 AM
I had some stuff that was like small plastic pellets that did the same thing - you would soften in warm water and compress into a blob and use it to mould or model things. It ended up very very rigid when cool and could be re-used. I didn't find it very good for moulding so never persued it. Can't remember the name now ....

Emma

It wasn't Polymorph, perchance?

(http://images.maplin.co.uk/300/n14at.jpg)

P.S I have no idea if this material is any good for making moulds BTW.  But it is great stuff.
Title: Re: Pour n Mold same as Zubber?
Post by: ejralph on May 09, 2012, 10:52:56 AM
Probably it was.

No good for anything clay related I found - I ended up using some to make easy-to-hold stuff for a neighbour with motor nurone disease. It was excellent for that - making nice holdy handles for pens and the like.

Emma